Y'all really banned immortal minority?

"Derpwagon" (Derpwagon) 12/17/2012 at 22:15 • Filed to: None

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Didn’t realize Oppo was the new Jalopnik, banning people who said anything you didn’t like.

Shamoononon drives like a farmer > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:18

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I am a big fan of his dog.

NKato > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:19

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Pitchforks and torches! Gitcher pitchforks and torches here!

Seriously though, Immoral Minority is one of our most well liked contributors on OppositeLock. If what I’m hearing is true, heads need to roll.

Nothing ticks me off more than moderator conduct that threatens the character of a community.

DirtyDodge > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:20

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This is very unfortunate, he was a great addition to this community and he will be greatly missed

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:21

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What did I come back to??? 0_o Go away to watch some TV and come back to this?

I heard there was an argument and one person...not sure who involved other than IM, but one person really came after IM in a very d irect way but IM got banned and not the other guy???

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:21

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I’m shocked and very disappointed in the censorship of this blog recently. Especially given the circumstances of what happened, he should be allowed to return. He was an excellent contributor and remained civil when others weren’t.

ranwhenparked > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:22

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MrDakka > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:23

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Dafuq happened? 

CaptDale - is secretly British > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:23

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Dude right? And read the comments he made. Totally calm and rational and TSP wishes he has a stroke!! and then they ban IM.

What kind of twats are modding this place? Mods should be impartial and just. 

Manny05x > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:24

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I dont agree with him getting banned, but his post were really going towards him pushing his personal agenda more than it was about cars.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > CaptDale - is secretly British 12/17/2019 at 22:24

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Is that what happened? Somebody wished harm to IM and directly called him out and IM is the one that gets banned??? How is that fair? He is one of our best contributors!

Jayvincent > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:24

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He insisted on replying to a political op-ed piece he originally posted, even after the mods told him to move on and take a break. He was looking for the last retort in a word war which had already been neutralized. Frankly, he was being obtuse and looking for a fight and there’s no reason to fight on Oppo:  see Rule #1. I didn’t go back to see if the mods killed the whole pot-stirring post, but nothing was lost if they did.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > CaptDale - is secretly British 12/17/2019 at 22:25

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This sounds pretty black and white am I missing something 

jminer > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:26

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I missed some of it but saw one of his usual politics shitposts. His replies were no-d oubt goading others. I liked the dude 80% of the time but he turned into a troll fairly often. He was beginning to feel toxic around these parts.

Nothing to do with his political views, just being a dick a lot more than he used to . I missed whatever pushed him over the edge into the path of the banhammer but I’m not surprised he ended up here.

That followed with a reply all to the Secret Senna with a ‘got banned for my politics’ absolving himself of all shittyness and playing the victim.

CaptDale - is secretly British > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 12/17/2019 at 22:27

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Well apparently there was a request for both of them to stop replying to a political post. Though as I understand neither did stop, but only one person went to far with it in the way of just straight threatening someone. 

NKato > ranwhenparked 12/17/2019 at 22:28

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As much as I feel the same sentiment, my principles do not allow me to permit such shoddy moderation.

I’ve run community sites for MMO’s as both founder and admin . This sure as shit isn’t a recipe for guaranteeing longevity and staying power in a community.

Jayvincent > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 12/17/2019 at 22:28

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Today he wasn’t being civil, he was looking for a fight and wouldn’t leave it alone even after multiple warnings from the mods. He deserved a cooling off period IMHO, but I’m not mod. But I do know Oppo Rule #1 and it surely applies to all.

facw > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 12/17/2019 at 22:29

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That second part was definitely not true in my experience. I didn’t see what happened here, so I don’t know if he went over a line here, but it wasn’t uncommon for him to resort to (mild) personal attacks when I disagreed with him. I didn’t think he should be banned for it since he’s usually fine, but I did think he could stand to chill a bit. Hopefully this is just a short break that lets him do just that.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:29

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A stunning turn of events for someone who was certainly never out to get a rise out of people.

Also, your necessary reminder: https://cigarlounge.kinja.com/

NKato > Jayvincent 12/17/2019 at 22:30

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It’s his oped, and the fact that the mods deleted the comment thread prevents us from making a proper judgment of the matter. So I would rather lean towards supporting one of our most consistent contributors to OPPO than to trust the word of someone who has mod privileges, but didn’t contribute any content to the site.

It’s called a socio-political dynamic. I don’t always agree with his politics, but this mess was uncalled for.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 12/17/2019 at 22:32

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Him and another commenter were told to cool down. IM kept posting and then to HHFP. TSP was out of line, but last i saw had stopped, but IM should have also been the adult and calmed down.

Derpwagon > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/17/2019 at 22:34

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Someone directly told him “I hope you have a stroke”. And he got banned afterwards.

Totally unbiased and cool right.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:34

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InB4 this thread gets nuked; I didn’t always agree with his manner of discussion but as far as o remember he did stay mostly civil.

His car posts were always great. Turning our back on him would be a big loss to Oppo.

If we’re gonna ban anything let’s ban politics from Oppo, unless specifically car related.

NKato > Jayvincent 12/17/2019 at 22:34

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There were others being uncivil towards him. “I hope you have a stroke”???

Please.

not for canada - australian in disguise > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:35

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Jayvincent > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/17/2019 at 22:35

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I’m with you Dr.Z. There’s a place for picking fig hts and calling out others and it’s not OPPO - see Rule #1. If IM wanted to wrassle, Cigar Lounge is the place for poli ti cal bait and swat, not Oppo. I was there and saw it happen - IM was warned to take a break multiple times and he just had to have the last word. And then one more, and another. It was his op-ed post that started it and he was bound and determined to continue the fight even after the other parties had left (due to warning from the Mods). 

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:36

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Well hopefully that person was also banned but my point remains.

Derpwagon > Jayvincent 12/17/2019 at 22:38

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He was directly told "I hope you have a stroke". Totally fine right? 

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/17/2019 at 22:38

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They weren’t, they posted tonight. Also someone who frequently causes trouble and has done so within the past few days, outside of this happening.

NKato > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/17/2019 at 22:38

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I’m not a fan of most Dems and Repubs, so he didn’t really get a rise out of me. You know our housing market is a mess because the D’s in Olympia refuse to take action. :p

(And I know you know that I’m currently researching home ownership, too)

Regardless, it’s not the content that bothers me, it’s the conduct of the banning moderator.

Jayvincent > NKato 12/17/2019 at 22:38

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There were others being uncivil to IM as you said. The difference is they stopped posting once they were warned (or maybe they got banned, but they stopped) and IM had to keep putting another comment and another after that and a third after he’d been warned to leave it alone and move along.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 12/17/2019 at 22:39

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Maybe...people are telling me whoever the other person openly wished harm on IM in a pretty harsh comment though? And IM did no such thing in his posts ? Going far enough to say something that spiteful is a bit worse than IM posting relatively respectfully worded replies though...at least to me.

I just hope they let IM come back, I’d miss his posts if he were permabanned....can one of the mods at least let us know if it’s a cooling down ban or a permaban?

My bird IS the word > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:39

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Lots of political posts today. People were getting pretty heated. The #1 rule was not observed. Not that I am anyone to talk since I trash talk on the FP (or used to)

Derpwagon > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/17/2019 at 22:39

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Nope.

Jayvincent > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 12/17/2019 at 22:39

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There were others being uncivil to IM as you said. The difference is they stopped posting once they were warned (or maybe they got banned, but they stopped) and IM had to keep putting another comment and another after that and a third after he’d been warned to leave it alone and move along.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 12/17/2019 at 22:40

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Derpwagon > Jayvincent 12/17/2019 at 22:41

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I bet you're fun at parties.

Nibby > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:41

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This is why I generally avoid talking about politics on a serious level here.

But seriously vote SCOOB/NIBBY 2020

fintail > jminer 12/17/2019 at 22:41

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Pretty much my view. He can be a cool guy, but a lot of political shit-stirring that becomes victim-playing, and has been heating up lately . I wouldn’t ban him, but this isn’t my site, so that’s how it goes.

Jayvincent > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:41

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TSP was wrong for his comments to IM as you said. The difference is TSP stopped posting once they were warned (or maybe they got banned, but they stopped) and IM had to keep putting another comment and another after that and a third after he’d been warned to leave it alone and move along.Just ot be clear, I’m not a mod and didn’t do any banning or replying, I was just observing in real-time. 

TheHondaBro > not for canada - australian in disguise 12/17/2019 at 22:41

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Kinja is giving me the option to cast that gif to my TV. Don't know if I should or not. 

jminer > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/17/2019 at 22:42

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Exactly my opinion on the matters. He was a troll a fair bit of the time and when confronted with a differing opinion than his would lash out and blame those who didn’t agree and accuse them of  being intolerant.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Shamoononon drives like a farmer 12/17/2019 at 22:44

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Yeah

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:45

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Oooh gurl dish, what  unpopular opinion did he post this time?

M.T. Blake > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:45

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I come here for the burgers. If I see tacos on the menu it blows the ambiance .

Michael > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:45

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I saw the post and first few comments, and just thought “does he really have to shout from the mountain top every time a Democrat gets in trouble?” and got back to work. Sounds like I missed quite the fireworks show.

Thought this was an auto-related off topic blog anyway

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > not for canada - australian in disguise 12/17/2019 at 22:46

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This.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > NKato 12/17/2019 at 22:46

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You know the mods are also some of the most consistent contributors,  right?

Derpwagon > Jayvincent 12/17/2019 at 22:46

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You're stating that "replying again after being warned" deserves a ban, but telling someone "I hope you have a stroke" doesn't? K.

Jayvincent > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:47

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There you go getting personal, no need .

I’m just reporting what I observed, since I was there and you were asking . I don’t have a dog in this fight, except to keep reminding everyone that Rule #1 applies and violators risk losing their OPPO privileges .

shop-teacher > NKato 12/17/2019 at 22:47

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Agreed.

jminer > fintail 12/17/2019 at 22:47

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If I were a mod I’d give him a temporary ban like a week and force him to cool down. If he wants to come back after that then let it be so.

I’d also not have purged the comments so the level-headed among us can see what happened. Or be open about punishments and why - it would help the community to have some official communication from the mods on this. That way we’re not guessing and riling ourselves up without the full information.

NKato > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 12/17/2019 at 22:48

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 We have the Cigar Lounge for politics. We need to emphasize that. 

Michael > Michael 12/17/2019 at 22:48

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I was thinking of the below, guess I missed something else

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/this-person-is-standing-up-against-trumps-corruption-1840487714

facw > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 12/17/2019 at 22:49

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He was not civil if you disagreed with him. He was a great member of this community most of the time, but there are definitely times when he was not excellent to other people here, including me. I didn’t see what happened here, but I’m not shocked, he basically dared the mods to ban him in an argument we had a month or two ago, and people who make those sort of posts usually get the “victimization” they are looking for sooner or later. As I said above, I’d hope this is temporary thing and he comes back a little more relaxed, because as I say, most of time he’s great. If the stuff about wanting him to have a stroke is true, I’d definitely ban that user as well if I were a mod, but IM definitely has played close to edge the before.

NKato > MrDakka 12/17/2019 at 22:49

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Someone on the mod team did the equivalent of filling up a grocery bag with  gasoline and putting it in the trunk, where static discharge inevitably ignites it.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:49

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I saw that post.

I had Opp opinions but I left it alone because it wasn’t worth it.

I come here for fun that post was the OPPOsite of fun.

I agree that we should discourage posts that talk politics, and theology. That’s not what this site is for.

However i think IM should be given another chance as he is a staple of the community here?

Maybe a week suspension rather than a banning. 

scoob > TheHondaBro 12/17/2019 at 22:49

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Yes

shop-teacher > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 12/17/2019 at 22:49

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Agreed on all counts.

Jayvincent > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:49

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I didn’t say that TSP did or didn’t deserve a ban for his “I hope you have a stroke comment” . His comment got removed when a Mod intervened and warned him. Since I don’t see him here, he may have been banned

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 12/17/2019 at 22:49

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From what I've gathered, IM was banned for not stopping the shit when directed to by a mod. The other guys did.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 12/17/2019 at 22:49

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hammerhead had said them to calm down @5, only keep goign with another thread 530. yamahog got involved 7 but couldn’t not have the last reply

Derpwagon > jminer 12/17/2019 at 22:50

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Someone else straight up, word for word, said “I hope you have a stroke” to him. They weren’t banned. He was.

Fair?

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/17/2019 at 22:51

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That post didn’t belong on Oppo.

But IM and his cars and Toby do 

Derpwagon > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 12/17/2019 at 22:51

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“he should have calmed down, then someone wouldn’t have told him they hoped he has a stroke and he wouldn’t have banned, but not the one who said that”.

Ok dude.

NKato > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/17/2019 at 22:52

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And you apparently don’t know that the person who pulled the trigger hasn’t made a meaningful content contribution in months.

:/

Derpwagon > TheHondaBro 12/17/2019 at 22:52

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Ya.

fintail > jminer 12/17/2019 at 22:52

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I’d probably even start with like 48 hours, and see what happens - and this is coming from someone who he apparently hates (as I dared to try to balance out one of his propaganda stories ).

The purge is definitely heavy-handed and helps one believe something unjust took place.

Derpwagon > Nibby 12/17/2019 at 22:53

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He and I were able to disagree vehemently, and it never devolved into basically telling the other person "I hope you die" like it did today.

Jayvincent > Nibby 12/17/2019 at 22:53

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I’d send you a dollar for your campaign, do I get a sticker?

Derpwagon > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/17/2019 at 22:53

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He objected to someone telling him"I hope you have a stroke".

NKato > TheHondaBro 12/17/2019 at 22:53

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Do it. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:54

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you’re skipping the part he kept re sp onding to another thread, told to calm down and kept replying anyway .

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:54

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Yeah but what led to that? 

NKato > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/17/2019 at 22:55

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Uh. Even though he never wished harm on others? And someone hoped for him to get a stroke? And the person saying that didn’t get the hammer?

Derpwagon > Jayvincent 12/17/2019 at 22:55

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I certainly hope he was, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Derpwagon > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/17/2019 at 22:55

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I really hope that shouldn't fucking matter.

TheHondaBro > scoob 12/17/2019 at 22:56

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Quality. 

Dusty Ventures > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:58

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He was banned for arguing with a mod after the mod repeatedly told him to chill and step away from the situation . That will get anyone banned regardless of politics.

facw > fintail 12/17/2019 at 22:58

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Part of the problem is that I don’t believe Kinja has temp- bans. IIRC mods can ban someone, and then unban later (pretty sure this has happened on oppo), but there’s no way to tell someone “you’re out for 2 days” and have that happen automatically. Also while “think about what you’ve done” is probably the right thing to do for IM, I really don’t think it’s that likely he would actually respond well to it, seems like he has too much pride for that.

jminer > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:58

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You’re sticking to a single point in not only a large argument but a trend in behavior. That statement was shitty, but only a small part in the argument started by IM. It’s the internet so we’re all guilty of making ridiculous insults that no one would believe or take personally. I mean the amount of times I’ve seen people post what they’d do so someone for a basic traffic violation is nuts.

All I know is that over the last few months IM had gotten shittier and shittier around these parts and was very much playing the part of troll. It’s like walking into a biker bar and making a joke about them all wearing ladies underwear - you’re gong to get in trouble.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:58

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He’s posted things before that sort of justify that, so ¯\_()_/¯

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > facw 12/17/2019 at 22:58

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The stuff about the stroke is definitely true, the receipts are in the discord i f you’ re in there.

I agree with a lot of what you said but at the end of the day, he didn’t make anyone engage with him. I have very little sympathy for anyone who engages in an argument with him. He’s a lawyer. He’s gonna pick a side and defend it to death. Yeah he was baiting but we’re adults and can choose not to engage. 

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 22:59

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You keep jumping back to “Someone said something mean to him” and then waiving it around on a stick like that 100% means he’s in the clear somehow. And no matter hwo many times people are trying to show you that a) what that person said was NOT okay. b) they were told to knock it the fuck off and c) they DID knock it the fuck off - you continue to use that as some leverage  point to say the person who did NOT knock it the fuck off shouldn’t be punished.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > ranwhenparked 12/17/2019 at 22:59

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That was my reaction to the original post that started all this. 

facw > Shamoononon drives like a farmer 12/17/2019 at 22:59

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No argument here, Toby is good boy. Pumpkin is cat. Who knows with the Chihuahuas...

facw > NKato 12/17/2019 at 23:00

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If it’s true, than the other guy definitely should have gotten the hammer. Doesn’t mean IM didn’t also cross a line.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/17/2019 at 23:01

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I believe it was a post about how Religious Organizations should be taxed.

I didn’t  comment on the post and only read a few comments so I can’t say much about it.

facw > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/17/2019 at 23:02

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Definitely didn’t deserve that comment from anything I’ve seen (I didn’t see this post). I have been in arguments with him where I’ve been concerned about his health, a guy with a heart condition shouldn’t be getting so worked up (I wanted to convey this to him, but couldn’t think how to do it without sounding really patronizing, but it was genuine concern).

Derpwagon > jminer 12/17/2019 at 23:03

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Cool so wish they die. Totally reasonable response.

shop-teacher > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 12/17/2019 at 23:04

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I get what you're saying, but telling someone you want them to die, is a lot worse than continuing to reply after being told not to, in my opinion.

Derpwagon > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 12/17/2019 at 23:04

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A I skipping the part where "being belligerent" and "telling someone you hope they die" are equal?

jminer > fintail 12/17/2019 at 23:04

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I’ll give you that - I went up against him a couple times with facts and relevant information . He always immediately escalated with cherry picked facts and tried to make it ugly fast.  Using that typical political playbook of making your opponent say something in anger so you can both feel the moral high ground and discredit them.  He was very good at it.

Derpwagon > jminer 12/17/2019 at 23:05

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I don't always agree with him either. He's no saint but goddamn dude, "I hope you have a stroke" is fucked up.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > facw 12/17/2019 at 23:05

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Maybe if he had a stroke he wouldn't have to lie about Toby being a service animal anymore. 

jminer > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 23:05

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Did you read any of my reply?

Also not the point but the vast majority of strokes are not fatal and a large portion of them are barely harmful.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 23:06

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He was told in 2 different threads, hours apart, from 2 different mods to calm down. Was the first person being a dick and breaking rule 1 ? yes, but that doesn’t give him carte blanche to start stirring someone else. and then to get in with a mod when warned again.

as a lawyer he should know when he’s at risk of being held in contempt

facw > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 12/17/2019 at 23:06

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I’m happy to have politics posts, etc. but I think if you can’t do it without resorting to personal attacks you should just skip that. I’m normally happy to wade in, but I will leave them alone if I’m feeling angry (I have mostly been IM’s politics posts after some where he was being a real dick).

In any event, I wouldn’t have any problem if the mods unban him in a few days, though I’m not convinced he’d come back. Guess it doesn’t hurt to see.

fintail > facw 12/17/2019 at 23:06

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It wouldn’t be too much work to click a button after 48 hours, but yeah, I am not sure if it would do much good.  Like most of us, he’s always right, at least in his own mind :)

facw > M.T. Blake 12/17/2019 at 23:07

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Burgers are definitely better than tacos.

Montalvo > Derpwagon 12/17/2019 at 23:08

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Not only is a great contributor banned but now I am cut off from my much enjoyed posts about Toby... This malfeasance will not stand. If it is not the supreme overlords shooting the site in the foot, we might as well get some mods in on the action. It i s getting harder to recognize this place anymore. If I stick around anywhere it will probably be on the discord.